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		<title>By: HR vs software engineers</title>
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		<dc:creator>HR vs software engineers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2005 05:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Microsoft is the Walmart/Huyndai/Toyota of software. They couldn&#039;t care less about the American people.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;No one likes Toyota (well maybe you Americans do, I haven&#039;t a clue) and no one likes Microsoft (ditto). Most Microsoft employees are from Red China or India and don&#039;t have any respect for the USA. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;They get the citizenship and they will bring their relatives to your country. Do you think the chinese grandparents of the Microsofties will be working and paying taxes or do you think they&#039;ll be just living on taxpayers money? I am not a racist, I have worked with these people, I know what I&#039;m talking about.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyone likes BMW - built by us dumb blonde leftie liberal people that the Microsoftie MBA&#039;s hate.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am a visitor in your country and soon I&#039;ll be back to the EU. Please get a clue. &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft is the Walmart/Huyndai/Toyota of software. They couldn&#8217;t care less about the American people.</p>
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<p>No one likes Toyota (well maybe you Americans do, I haven&#8217;t a clue) and no one likes Microsoft (ditto). Most Microsoft employees are from Red China or India and don&#8217;t have any respect for the USA. </p>
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<p>They get the citizenship and they will bring their relatives to your country. Do you think the chinese grandparents of the Microsofties will be working and paying taxes or do you think they&#8217;ll be just living on taxpayers money? I am not a racist, I have worked with these people, I know what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
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<p>Everyone likes BMW &#8211; built by us dumb blonde leftie liberal people that the Microsoftie MBA&#8217;s hate.</p>
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<p>I am a visitor in your country and soon I&#8217;ll be back to the EU. Please get a clue. </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew G. S.</title>
		<link>http://averyblog.com/net/microsoft-cutting-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew G. S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not quite so black and white. Obviously M$ had some purpose behind the benefits reduction, however they could have more easily saved money on something tangible. Healthcare cuts screw some  employees more than others. Effectively, the prolitariate, the muck-dwellers, are the ones hit hardest by benefit losses for their disposible income is far more thinnly stretched. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Conversely, they also tend to be the fat that&#039;s trimmed in down-sizing. I doubt the project coordinators and such are hurting or sobbing because they must settle for generic instead of name-brand for their anti-biotics etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;I question whether the healthcare of 54,000 workers is so pricey as that, also. Could the tiny healthcare proviso simply be a feigned punch before kicking their workers in the proverbial gonads? Something to think about...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not quite so black and white. Obviously M$ had some purpose behind the benefits reduction, however they could have more easily saved money on something tangible. Healthcare cuts screw some  employees more than others. Effectively, the prolitariate, the muck-dwellers, are the ones hit hardest by benefit losses for their disposible income is far more thinnly stretched. </p>
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<p>Conversely, they also tend to be the fat that&#8217;s trimmed in down-sizing. I doubt the project coordinators and such are hurting or sobbing because they must settle for generic instead of name-brand for their anti-biotics etc.</p>
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<p>I question whether the healthcare of 54,000 workers is so pricey as that, also. Could the tiny healthcare proviso simply be a feigned punch before kicking their workers in the proverbial gonads? Something to think about&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mini-Microsoft</title>
		<link>http://averyblog.com/net/microsoft-cutting-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator>Mini-Microsoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2004 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I work for Microsoft and I think it would be far better for us to have layoffs and downsize vs. pealing away at layers that just piss everyone off.  Time for bold decisions!  I spout about this at &lt;a target=&quot;_new&quot; href=&quot;http://minimsft.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://minimsft.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt; and I hope other employees will serioulsy consider supporting a leaner, meaner, smaller Microsoft.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for Microsoft and I think it would be far better for us to have layoffs and downsize vs. pealing away at layers that just piss everyone off.  Time for bold decisions!  I spout about this at <a target="_new" href="http://minimsft.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://minimsft.blogspot.com</a> and I hope other employees will serioulsy consider supporting a leaner, meaner, smaller Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://averyblog.com/net/microsoft-cutting-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Andy said &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d rather have my employer say &quot;We need to cut back, so I&#039;m going to lower your salary by x percent.&quot; then say &quot;We need to cut back, so collect all your things and good luck in the job market.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;And yes andy you just got a pay cut. And where do you think that money that micr$oft jsut saved is going to go? It went straight into shareholder pockets.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s nothing but pure corporate greed. You will now have less expendable income to buy products that someone else is making. And now that persons company is going to have to cut corners because you don&#039;t have enough money to buy from them, this is what trickle down economics really is.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tim&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy said </p>
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<p>I&#8217;d rather have my employer say &quot;We need to cut back, so I&#8217;m going to lower your salary by x percent.&quot; then say &quot;We need to cut back, so collect all your things and good luck in the job market.&quot;</p>
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<p>And yes andy you just got a pay cut. And where do you think that money that micr$oft jsut saved is going to go? It went straight into shareholder pockets.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nothing but pure corporate greed. You will now have less expendable income to buy products that someone else is making. And now that persons company is going to have to cut corners because you don&#8217;t have enough money to buy from them, this is what trickle down economics really is.</p>
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		<title>By: DarthPedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarthPedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The only problem with cuts to benefits is that they&#039;re made during the tough times (in the economy or for a company). But, when that turns around, the companies don&#039;t go back and say, &quot;let&#039;s add back to those benefits that we cut.&quot; Because it&#039;s a savings that they&#039;re use to having. The only time that ever happens is if a union goes in and demands additional benefits, but that&#039;s unlikely to happen in the software industry any time soon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most large companies, Microsoft included, pay very little (if any) of their profits in taxes to the federal government. They&#039;re well protected by tax laws, exemptions, and high-priced accountants. If these companies paid a small portion of that in taxes, the federal government could provide universal health care and many other programs. But, for these corporations all else is sacrificed for the sake of maximizing profits.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only problem with cuts to benefits is that they&#8217;re made during the tough times (in the economy or for a company). But, when that turns around, the companies don&#8217;t go back and say, &quot;let&#8217;s add back to those benefits that we cut.&quot; Because it&#8217;s a savings that they&#8217;re use to having. The only time that ever happens is if a union goes in and demands additional benefits, but that&#8217;s unlikely to happen in the software industry any time soon.</p>
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<p>Most large companies, Microsoft included, pay very little (if any) of their profits in taxes to the federal government. They&#8217;re well protected by tax laws, exemptions, and high-priced accountants. If these companies paid a small portion of that in taxes, the federal government could provide universal health care and many other programs. But, for these corporations all else is sacrificed for the sake of maximizing profits.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2004 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d rather have my employer say  &quot;We need to cut back, so I&#039;m going to lower your salary by x percent.&quot; then say  &quot;We need to cut back, so collect all your things and good luck in the job market.&quot;  Sure it sucks getting cuts but they all have time to find something else if it is sooo grueling.  I&#039;m sure most of the employees moral is fine.  Everytime your employer changes healthcare providers you lose certain things.  Do you think employers change who you go through (i.e. medical mutual or whatever) to give you better benefits???  not likely...  It is cheaper for them.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather have my employer say  &quot;We need to cut back, so I&#8217;m going to lower your salary by x percent.&quot; then say  &quot;We need to cut back, so collect all your things and good luck in the job market.&quot;  Sure it sucks getting cuts but they all have time to find something else if it is sooo grueling.  I&#8217;m sure most of the employees moral is fine.  Everytime your employer changes healthcare providers you lose certain things.  Do you think employers change who you go through (i.e. medical mutual or whatever) to give you better benefits???  not likely&#8230;  It is cheaper for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
		<link>http://averyblog.com/net/microsoft-cutting-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2004 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ballmer is looking to cut employee benefits because overall expenses are rising faster than revenues. Why not cut other expenses?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;James is dead on in that companies have 3 key stakeholders: shareholders, employees, and customers. Ballmer is basically knocking one down to build up another.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Scoble said &quot;Health-care costs have gone up more than 50% in the past few years&quot;. That is true, but it is an overall increase number, the annualized growth is much lower, lower than Microsoft&#039;s 27% *yearly* growth in fact. Don&#039;t just toss out numbers since they look bigger than another.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lawsuits in the millions mean little to a company that has 56+ Billion US Dollars in the bank. To put it in perspective, a 500 million dollar lawsuit to them would be like a $10 fine to you if you had $10,000 in the bank.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;The point James brings up, which is a good one, is that with the cutback in benefits it is reducing the effective salary of a Microsoft employee. Since when would you ever want your employer to say to you, &quot;We need to cut back, so I&#039;m going to lower your salary by x percent.&quot; But since benefits are not as tangible as your paycheck, these are the games employers play.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ballmer is looking to cut employee benefits because overall expenses are rising faster than revenues. Why not cut other expenses?</p>
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<p>James is dead on in that companies have 3 key stakeholders: shareholders, employees, and customers. Ballmer is basically knocking one down to build up another.</p>
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<p>Scoble said &quot;Health-care costs have gone up more than 50% in the past few years&quot;. That is true, but it is an overall increase number, the annualized growth is much lower, lower than Microsoft&#8217;s 27% *yearly* growth in fact. Don&#8217;t just toss out numbers since they look bigger than another.</p>
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<p>Lawsuits in the millions mean little to a company that has 56+ Billion US Dollars in the bank. To put it in perspective, a 500 million dollar lawsuit to them would be like a $10 fine to you if you had $10,000 in the bank.</p>
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<p>The point James brings up, which is a good one, is that with the cutback in benefits it is reducing the effective salary of a Microsoft employee. Since when would you ever want your employer to say to you, &quot;We need to cut back, so I&#8217;m going to lower your salary by x percent.&quot; But since benefits are not as tangible as your paycheck, these are the games employers play.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2004 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m inclined to agree with Travis - the lure to open source is incrediblly tempting and it&#039;s possible that advances in that space have outpaced Microsoft&#039;s ability to catch-up to and pass competitors.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m inclined to agree with Travis &#8211; the lure to open source is incrediblly tempting and it&#8217;s possible that advances in that space have outpaced Microsoft&#8217;s ability to catch-up to and pass competitors.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Owens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Owens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2004 13:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sure MS has good reasons they have no interest in disclosing with lowly employees like yourself :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps it has something to do with all the recent lawsuit payoffs (we&#039;re talking in the millions here baby).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps it has something to do with business evaluations of how the market is changing and maybe MS anticipates with Dell entering into the Linux world, MS will start getting real competition (which reduces future profits).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not to mention when you take &quot;pay for some prescriptions&quot; across all the thousands of employees, you&#039;ll see it would add up very quickly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;I highly doubt these recent cuts are purely to line Bill&#039;s pockets, I&#039;m sure there are much greater reasons involved.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure MS has good reasons they have no interest in disclosing with lowly employees like yourself <img src='http://averyblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p>Perhaps it has something to do with all the recent lawsuit payoffs (we&#8217;re talking in the millions here baby).</p>
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<p>Perhaps it has something to do with business evaluations of how the market is changing and maybe MS anticipates with Dell entering into the Linux world, MS will start getting real competition (which reduces future profits).</p>
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<p>Not to mention when you take &quot;pay for some prescriptions&quot; across all the thousands of employees, you&#8217;ll see it would add up very quickly.</p>
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<p>I highly doubt these recent cuts are purely to line Bill&#8217;s pockets, I&#8217;m sure there are much greater reasons involved.</p>
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		<title>By: James Avery</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Robert,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;     I am a shareholder of Microsoft as well, and their lack of focus on their employees worries me more that give or take a billion dollars. Actually this cost cutting measure does more to worry me about the company than anything else, it shows that they are worried about their business, that maybe they dont have the confidence they once had.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;-James&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>     I am a shareholder of Microsoft as well, and their lack of focus on their employees worries me more that give or take a billion dollars. Actually this cost cutting measure does more to worry me about the company than anything else, it shows that they are worried about their business, that maybe they dont have the confidence they once had.</p>
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